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Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth?
what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Once again, this particular scripture is TWISTED by the false ministers in the world who
claim that it teaches that Yeshua was already in existence at that time. But this verse in NO WAY
refers to Yeshua -- and it is hard to believe that any serious student of the Bible could use this
verse to justify such an understanding. But, sadly, they do. Correctly translated, this verse reads:

Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound up the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the
earth? What is HIS NAME? What is THE NAME of His sons? Tell me if you know!

Here is a copy of Proverbs 30:4 from the Greek Septuagint Version, from which this verse
was translated --

Who hath ascended up to heaven and come down? Who hath collected the winds in his
bosom? Who hath infolded the water in a mantle? Who hath a dominion over all the ends of
the earth? What is his name? or what the name of his sons?

The Anchor Bible, Proverbs, on page 176, corroborates this translation and plainly says
that the sons who are being spoken of refer to the HEAVENLY HOST -- in other words, the AN-
GELS! Notice what it says --

4. Who has ascended the sky. Cf. Job xxxviii 3-38; Isa xl 12ff.; Unless his name is known,
neither god nor man can be known as real' cf. Gen xxxii 29; Exod iii 13; Isa lii 6. his sons'.
The divine beings of the heavenly host; cf. Ps lxxxii 6; Job xxxviii 7. Surely you know. Cf.
Job xxxviii 5.

This was NOT speaking of Yeshua going back and forth from heaven to earth, this was
speaking of YEHOVAH's MESSENGERS -- the angels! Yeshua was not an angel, as the Bible
clearly states --

Hebrews 1:13 -- But to which of the angels has He ever said: Sit at My right hand, until I make
your enemies your footstool?

Hebrews 2:5 -- For it is not to the angels that He has subjected the world to come, about which
we are speaking.

Hebrews 2:16 -- For truly, He does not take hold of angels, but He takes hold of the seed of
Abraham.

There are absolutely NO direct statements to the effect that any beings existed beside YE-
HOVAH before He created the angels. But, there are MANY direct scriptures which say emphati-
cally that YEHOVAH was ALONE at creation, and that there was NONE BESIDE HIM!

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